prodrome wrote:

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He probably has his doctorate in Creative Writing.

hahahahaha

prodrome wrote:

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This individual has a PhD. Not an M.D., DDS, MPH, or even a PT. He probably has his doctorate in Creative Writing.

SHE is a clinical psychologist who specializes in the treatment of fat bodied people. MDs have dropped the ball. All they offer that works is butchering the digestive system of fat bodied people. I suppose a dentist could wire their jaws shut. That is a whole lot more humane than butchering them.

Well, well, so now you are a doctor of sorts, Harpoon/TammyCat/Tanizaki/Margaretbird/Married2ASweatHog (and I'm sure I've missed quite a few).

Your main character has so far been a diet-book writer, a guy who got his wife to lose weight successfully and now a professional who offers weight-loss treatments.

Could you please make up your mind once and for all, who and what is it to be?

I don't think this is harpoon or nonglutton. This person sounds more serious, except the excerpt they posted isn't all that great.

IP addresses, again?

I'm positive, Nick, he has something of a 'signature' that stands out like a scarlet letter or something. He always starts off quite moderately, but at some point it gets more than a bit weird.

Well, never mind...

Mary45 wrote:

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Well, well, so now you are a doctor of sorts, Harpoon/TammyCat/Tanizaki/Margaretbird/Married2ASweatHog (and I'm sure I've missed quite a few).

Your main character has so far been a diet-book writer, a guy who got his wife to lose weight successfully and now a professional who offers weight-loss treatments.

Could you please make up your mind once and for all, who and what is it to be?

Calm down Mary. I am AKA NonGlutton. I am not Tanizaki or Margretbird.
http://www.drroberta.com/

Here is a link to the article http://www.peertrainer.com/roberta/the_myth_of_low_self_esteem_in_overweight_people.htm

Mary, with all due respect you are acting a bit paranoid. This site is controversial and you will attract trolls. The fat accepters have been trolled for years. They know what they are doing. I told you before if you suspect someone is a troll to ignore them.

I admit it. I am a great troll. I may be the best ever. I did not start out that way. I was asking sincere questions on NAAFA and they labeled me a troll. I was not a troll then I was just a really bright person. They deserved a trolling so I used my powers and I recruited people from all sort of forums and within a few months NAAFA's online forum was no more. They did several mass bannings but the only ridded them selves of the obvious trolls but ended up banning mostly members in good standing. We used proxy servers and registered sock puppets. We remained fully compliant with the rules but we made their people freak out. What killed them was the hypocrisy in moderation and our way of stating their position. I PM Chris and told him who I am. If I was serious about trolling fat spouse it would be history by now. I really am that good. The truth is I like what you guys are doing but the zealotry here is a bit paranoid in flavor. You need to chill and think before you post. If it is going to stir the pot then do it another way. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

I want this site to do well. I think the message is cutting edge and important. I do think you and Chris are a bit naive. If you ask me nicely not to post I may comply. If you try going toe to toe with the like of me you will lose. I am really good at this. The only thing I enjoy more than this is fly fishing. Trolling is the next best thing. I have no real motivation to troll you guys don't give me any.

Thanks for your honesty, NonGluttom/Harpoon!

As strange as it might sound to you, I really don't have a very big problem with a lot of what you say. If I'm to be brutally honest to myself, deep inside I do tend to look down at fat people somewhat, and I get immensly tired with all the excuses and so on. But 'my better self', my conscience and sense of right and wrong always makes me scold myself for those feelings.

On a purely practical level my problem with Harpoon (aka NonGluttom, and please don't deny the connection, ok ) is this:

The way I see it (and I could be wrong, and it's just my thoughts), for the FA their 'raison d'etre' and the front they put up 'to the world' is that they fight fat-hatred, discrimination, bias etc. Imo this is a delusion and a smoke-screen, there is no 'fat-hatred' in society at large.

The FA is always on the lookout for any signs of 'widespread anti-fat sentiments' that they can highlight and play up - and thus justify their very existence. The way I see it, a 'Harpoon-ish' sentiment on this site would be an answer to all FA-prayers. They wouldn't have to look any further for the evidence that they desperately need but that has so far been rather hard to find.

For my part I hate the idea that something I say here on this forum could make someone somewhere decide to join the FA-ranks, while a job well done would for me be if someone decided not to go there.

As an example of what I mean, here's an entry that circulated the FA-blogs at the time NonGluttom posted here. I can't know for sure if there is a connection, but see for yourselves (I do sincerely feel for the original author because of her loss):

http://theuniverseandhumanstupidity.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/guest-blogger-sugarleigh-and-they-worry-that-fat-is-going-to-bring-down-the-countryworld/

Mary45 wrote:

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Thanks for your honesty, NonGluttom/Harpoon!

As strange as it might sound to you, I really don't have a very big problem with a lot of what you say. If I'm to be brutally honest to myself, deep inside I do tend to look down at fat people somewhat, and I get immensly tired with all the excuses and so on. But 'my better self', my conscience and sense of right and wrong always makes me scold myself for those feelings.

On a purely practical level my problem with Harpoon (aka NonGluttom, and please don't deny the connection, ok;) ) is this:

The way I see it (and I could be wrong, and it's just my thoughts), for the FA their 'raison d'etre' and the front they put up 'to the world' is that they fight fat-hatred, discrimination, bias etc. Imo this is a delusion and a smoke-screen, there is no 'fat-hatred' in society at large.

The FA is always on the lookout for any signs of 'widespread anti-fat sentiments' that they can highlight and play up - and thus justify their very existence. The way I see it, a 'Harpoon-ish' sentiment on this site would be an answer to all FA-prayers. They wouldn't have to look any further for the evidence that they desperately need but that has so far been rather hard to find.

For my part I hate the idea that something I say here on this forum could make someone somewhere decide to join the FA-ranks, while a job well done would for me be if someone decided not to go there.

As an example of what I mean, here's an entry that circulated the FA-blogs at the time NonGluttom posted here. I can't know for sure if there is a connection, but see for yourselves (I do sincerely feel for the original author because of her loss):

http://theuniverseandhumanstupidity.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/guest-blogger-sugarleigh-and-they-worry-that-fat-is-going-to-bring-down-the-countryworld/

They are going to spin and twist stuff anyway. They are a bunch of liars who deep down know their dogma is bogus.

They will take cheap shots. They will pretend to be offended. That does not mean you should stop telling the ugly truth about their behaviors. I make a distinction. I don't find fat people revolting. I find their behavior revolting and their appearance revolting because it is an extension of their behavior. I often use the term fat bodied to describe them. Fat person means something different to them than it does to us. They think "fat people" are some sort of morally superior form of life. The see themselves as tragic victims of a cold and cruel society when in point of fact they are society and we are the minority and therefore we are the victims. The difference between us in them is we do not portray ourselves as victims. Every person who is burdened with the albatross of a fat spouse is a victim. Gluttony is a form of abuse. It is selfishness.

It is irresponsibility.

It is arrogance.

It is neglect

It is disrespect.

It is abuse.

It hurts! They refuse to see it. They are so dishonest that they cannot see through their own lies. They are so angry because somebody confronted them that they are on a rampage.

I am fine with hurting their feelings. They are bullies. You will read it here time and time again where a normal spouse is concerned for their well being of his or her glutton. The normal spouse walks on eggshells for fear of hurting the glutton and the glutton discounts them or does the passive aggressive thing. I told yo before that you were a victim of abuse. I know that is a tough pill to swallow but I think if you get really honest with yourself you will atleast agree that you deserve to be with a healthy spouse so long as it is within the power of that spouse to be healthy. Love would dictate that each spouse would be at his or her best for the other one. Love is an action that results in a feeling. When we are loves less than another it hurts. When we are loved less than food we are with a glutton. That is what it all boils down to. It is our obligation as humans to be at our best for the ones we love and love us back. A fat spouse is not at his or her best.

Well whatever and perhaps, I don't know. But I really don't think that you can just group all fat people or fat spouses together and claim that they all share the same characteristics.

Like my husband for instance, he's a former icehockey pro, tall and muscular guy and weighs some 105 kg. I guess that according to US standards there really isn't a problem - but then again over here he is considered too fat and he knows it himself as well (and there's diabetes in the family). This summer with a lot of building work has brought some improvements and I think that he has actually lost quite a bit btw. The idea that I would be a victim of abuse is simply ridiculous.

We are not that PC either, and discussing the fact that someone is too fat is not that dramatic or complicated. Actually, when I first happened on this site I was fascinated and intrigued to learn that obesity really is an extremely sensitive and controversial issue in the US.

Please understand that I'm a product of the society in which I grew up and in which I have always lived. I don't know that I have ever actually encountered a person so big that he/she can't walk anymore, and, for instance, we don't have those motorized scooters in the malls (yet). It's perfectly possible that my stance would be harder if I lived in the US, but all I can say is that I really don't know.

You could argue that maybe I'd better shut up about things that I might not even understand - but then again I got involved and one thing led to another and there you are...

We are all influenced by our culture whether we admit of not. Today society comprsed mostly of fat people have normalized obesity and gluttony. Fat is now the new normal. The obesity promoters will tell you that too. They think that fat is normal and healthy.